Thursday, December 08, 2005

Smack My Prof Up


TOPEKA, Kan. -- A University of Kansas professor who drew criticism for e-mails he wrote deriding Christian fundamentalists over creationism resigned Wednesday as chairman of the Department of Religious Studies.

Originally called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies," the course was canceled last week at Mirecki's request.

A recent e-mail from Mirecki to members of a student organization referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course describing intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face." Mirecki apologized for those comments.
This should please those people who think Colleges and Universities are too liberal.

And look at this...someone went and beat Mirecki up. Keep up the "Good Works," fundies. Everytime a professor bruises, an angel gets their wings.


At 7:17 PM, Blogger Jabawacefti said...

Respectfully, I think that colleges and universities are too liberal, and it doesn't please me at all.

At 8:48 AM, Blogger Scott Roche said...

1) You are assuming he was actually beaten up. My BS detector is going off something fierce here.

2) I don't think it would please anyone but stupid rednecks.

I'm tempted to be pleased because the only reason he took the approach to the course he did was to piss folks off. Thankfully I'm a better person than that. However, when you do that you pretty much need to look out. I'm not gonna say he got what he deserved, because few people deserve a beat down, but he shouldn't have been too surprised.

At 11:05 AM, Blogger codemorse said...

1) Well, his hospitalization was a nice clue. What's the alternative? That he beat himself?

2) Despite not saying that he got what he deserved, isn't that pretty much what you're saying?

At 11:47 AM, Blogger Scott Roche said...

1) He wasn't "hospitalized" he was treated and released. Which may mean a band aid and some tylenol or it may mean stitches. If two good ole boys beat him with a "metallic object" he'd probably still be in the hospital drinking through a straw. Maybe he beat himself.

From the same paper:

One of Mirecki’s most vocal critics, conservative activist John Altevogt, said he couldn’t imagine anyone he knows doing such a thing.

“This should be investigated thoroughly, and whoever did this should be punished to the full extent of the law. You don’t beat people for either their faith or their lack thereof,” he said.

But Altevogt said he was skeptical about whether Mirecki’s report was legitimate.

“He (Mirecki) has very little credibility left,” Altevogt said. “The one thing that could save his bacon is to become a martyr of sorts, or to elicit sympathy from being the victim rather than the persecutor.”

When told that some people were questioning the truth of his report, Mirecki fired back.

“The right wing wants blood, period. They’re not going to stop until they see blood. They’re not into anything else,” he said. “Whatever I do, whatever I say, they don’t believe anything because that’s the way they are. . . I know what happened. I got the hell beat out of me. They can say what they want.”

And if he was beaten that badly why isn't he coming forth with more info. Surely he can make a better description than he has, maybe even a license plate number?

As far as beating himself up, it doesn't sound likely but isn't it possible? I'm just skeptical that's all.

2)I'm saying that if you throw shit in the air and some comes back and sticks on you then you shouldn't be surprised. I'm sure he belives much like Devin that all Evangelicals are just suicide bombers waiting to happen. Why rattle the bars on the monkey cage?

At 12:54 PM, Blogger codemorse said...

"Why rattle the bars on the monkey cage?"

Because as free Americans, the bars are there to be rattled.

It's like asking me why I post thoughts here when I know people will disagree with them. It's because I have a mind of my own, and I'm not going to let someone else's disagreement with my opinion keep me from voicing it.

Suggesting he beat himself seems ludicrous to me. What possible motivation does the man have for doing that? Martyring himself? That's crazy talk.

All I know is that the facts (annoying as they might be) say this:
1. He was in the hospital
2. The police took it seriously enough to file a report
3. A professional boxer has given his opinion that the bruises (which he witnessed) were the result of a true beating, and not asking a buddy to punch you around.
4. Details given to the police included the kind of vehicle driven and the clothing worn by the two men.

I'm not defending Mirecki here, because frankly, he seems like kind of a jerk. I'm more concerned with the notion of discrediting him simply because one doesn't like what he's said. Your entire hypothesis seems to originate from the comments of "One of Mirecki’s most vocal critics, conservative activist John Altevogt." That hardly seems like an objective source.

It also seems to stem from your dislike of the guy. You say "if he was beaten that badly," but my concern is with the fact that he was beaten AT ALL.

It doesn't matter how much "shit" he's thrown up in the air. He's exercising free speech, and what he's chosen to say (as far as I'm aware of) is no more insulting than being called an amoral, godless atheist. You don't see me beating people up for that. Why? Because I'm an adult.

If this guy turns out to be a liar, I'll eat my crow like a good boy. I'm basing my post and my subequent comments off of a simple premise - if a person reports a crime to the police, he or she should be taken seriously.

At 2:03 PM, Blogger Scott Roche said...

And he is being taken seriously. And as I said I'm not pleased that he got beaten up. He exercised his right to free speech and no one should get beaten up for that, but if I go into the studios at BET and start yelling about ni**ers at the top of my lungs I'm getting a beat down (most likely).

He was smug and arrogant. If his motives had been purely to teach about ID as mythology and not an effort to smack the ID folks in the kisser, then I'd have an easier time feeling sorry for him (I do feel sorry for him but it's hard). In my mind that's what discredits him (to a degree). It's not that I don't like what he says. I just expect a bit more from a professor. His emails read like an adolescent's.

At 3:50 PM, Blogger codemorse said...

Like I said, I think the guy behaved boorishly, so I can appreciate what you're saying. And, having only seen the one email he wrote, I'm really basing my opinions off of that.

But being smug and arrogant is hardly a reason to smack the shit out of someone. Sure, you may want to do it, but to perform said-beatdown is to act in a far more adolescent fahion than Mirecki did (again, I say this without having seen any other emails he wrote).

Besides, it's not very Christian to go around hitting people. To the bet of my knowledge there's no passage in the NT that reads:

"And yea, verily, the Son didst smite that mutha 'cross the face. He did smite him like unto a bizitch."

Though it'd be pretty entertaining, were that the case.

At 4:07 PM, Blogger Jabawacefti said...

I'd buy that Bible in a heart-beat.

"For the Lord came down from up on high and spoke so that all could hear him, 'put the gun up in your waste, please do not shoot up thy place' and they looked upon him with great awe and spoke, 'why shall we not, my Lord.' And the Lord decreed, 'cause I see some ladies this eve that should be having mine baby, baby.'"

At 4:36 PM, Blogger Scott Roche said...

Hey, maybe it was God what done the smiting and he sent his angels in the form of a redneck duo.

At 5:19 PM, Blogger codemorse said...

You know, when you really think about it, Mary was really Joseph's Baby-Mama.

Y'all are Highsterical.


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